By Matthew Daly, Lisa Mascaro, and Anthony Izaguirre
Updated 4:34 pm ET
Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told lawmakers Monday that he has warned allies of President Donald Trump that the president's repeated attacks on mail-in ballots are "not helpful," but denied that recent changes at the Postal Service are linked to the November elections.
DeJoy was testifying for a second day on Capitol Hill, facing tense questions from lawmakers over an uproar in mail delivery delays since he took the helm in mid-June.
"I am not engaged in sabotaging the election," DeJoy said, adding that, like Trump, he personally plans to vote by mail.
The hearing quickly became a debate over delivery disruptions being reported nationwide. Democrats said the changes under DeJoy's watch are causing widespread delays, but Republicans dismissed the worries as unfounded and part of a Democratic "conspiracy" against Trump.
In questioning, Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., said the upheaval at one of the nation's oldest and most popular institutions was either the result of "gross incompetence" or that DeJoy was "doing this on purpose."
"What the heck are you doing?" Lynch asked DeJoy at a sometimes contentious House Oversight Committee hearing. DeJoy denied any wrongdoing and accused Lynch and other Democrats of spreading misinformation.
DeJoy also disputed published reports that he has eliminated overtime for postal workers and said a Postal Service document outlining overtime restrictions was written by a mid-level manager. DeJoy, who has called election mail his "No. 1 priority," said he will authorize expanded use of overtime, extra truck trips and other measures in the weeks before the election to ensure on-time delivery of ballots.
DeJoy urged voters to request mail-in ballots at least 15 days before the Nov. 3 election so they have enough time to receive their ballot, complete it and mail it back to elections officials on time. Acknowledging an expected surge in mail-in ballots because of the coronavirus pandemic, DeJoy said voters should mail back their ballots at least seven days prior to the election.
His advice "should in no way be misconstrued to imply that we lack confidence in our ability to deliver those ballots,'' DeJoy told the panel. "We can, and will, handle the volume of Election Mail we receive.''
The oversight hearing came two days after the House approved legislation Saturday to reverse changes at the Postal Service and send $25 billion to shore up the agency ahead of the November election. Twenty-six House Republicans broke with Trump to back the House bill, which passed 257-150, although there was little sign of bipartisanship at Monday's hearing.
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., the committee chair and author of the House bill, said DeJoy was using the Postal Service's longstanding fiscal problems as an excuse "to justify sweeping and damaging changes to Postal Service operations. And we have all seen the results: national headlines about delays of days and weeks, veterans desperately waiting for their medications, sorting machines being ripped out and thrown in dumpsters."
Maloney's committee on Saturday released internal Postal Service documents warning about steep declines and delays in a range of mail services since early July, shortly after DeJoy took the helm. Delays have occurred in first-class and marketing mail, periodicals, and Priority Mail, the agency says in an Aug. 12 briefing prepared by Postal Service staff for DeJoy.
"These new documents show that the delays we have all heard about are actually far worse than previously reported,'' Maloney said.
DeJoy acknowledged at a Senate hearing last week that there has been a "dip" in service, but disputed reports of widespread problems.
At one point, Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., questioned DeJoy's role as a fundraiser for Trump's 2016 election leading to a heated exchange. Cooper cited news reports of mail trucks being forced to leave on schedule even when completely empty and pointedly reminded DeJoy that it's a felony to delay delivery of the mail.
DeJoy called empty trucks unfortunate but not new. He said he's in "full compliance" with ethics rules and resented the line of questions.
Rep. John Sarbanes, D-Md., told DeJoy flatly that he does not trust him.
Republicans took the opposite approach, repeatedly apologizing to DeJoy for the harsh questions and dismissing the mail delivery delays as a conspiracy theory.
"You're getting a berating up here,'' Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., told DeJoy.
The Postal Service landed in the middle of election-year tensions after Trump, during an interview on Fox News, acknowledged he's blocking emergency funds to the Postal Service to make it harder to process an expected surge of mail-in ballots.
Because of the COVID-19 crisis, millions of Americans are expected to avoid polling places and try to cast their ballots by mail.
DeJoy, a wealthy Republican donor, owned a logistics business that was a longtime Postal Service contractor, and he has significant financial stakes in companies that do business or compete with the agency. DeJoy said Monday he is in "full compliance" with ethics rules and said his actions as postmaster were just "a plan to run trucks on time."
Rep. Katie Porter, D-Calif., fired off a round of quick, seemingly basic questions -- How much to does it cost to mail a postcard? And how many people voted by mail in the last election? -- only to find DeJoy did not know the answers.
"I'm concerned about your understanding of this agency," she told DeJoy.
DeJoy said many of the operational changes, such as removal of sorting machines, were underway before he arrived. Porter and other Democrats pressed him on who ordered the changes.
DeJoy did not provide an answer.
Porter and another Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., also raised questions about DeJoy's financial interests. He said he had no stakes in online giant Amazon, a major Postal Service customer, and a frequent target of criticism from Trump.
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows called the House bill approved Saturday a "political statement" and stressed that Trump would consider additional money only as part of a broader coronavirus relief package. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the Senate is eyeing $10 billion for the Postal Service in a new COVID-19 relief package, but won't pass stand-alone legislation for the post office.
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Izaguirre reported from Charleston, W.Va.
